Seth Rogen and James Franco might be good pals and one of Hollywood’s most unlikely—and beloved!—comedy duos, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t step back and see each other for who they really are. For instance, Rogen thinks Franco is “a weird guy,” much like, well, most of America. Weirdly, though, Rogen promises that Franco is perhaps slightly less weird than we all think he is.

Rogen hit ‘The Late Show’ last night to talk about—what else?—his latest project with Franco, ‘The Interview,’ and though host David Letterman tried to dance around his question (he called Franco “enigmatic,” which is nice), it was clear what he wanted to know: is James Franco a weirdo? Yes, basically. But also maybe not? The answer itself is weird enough.