There seems to be this groundswell among a certain group of conspiracy-minded Star Wars fans that there’s a specific reason Disney and Lucasfilm are withholding Luke Skywalker from all the Star Wars: The Force Awakens marketing material so far. Their theory is that Luke Skywalker is evil, and may even actually be Kylo Ren. Never mind that Adam Driver is already playing Kylo Ren and we’ve seen pictures of him without his mask on; let’s not logic get in the way of a fan theory. Those fans have some more fuel for their paranoid fire today as an old video resurfaced of Mark Hamill talking with J.J. Abrams about wanting Luke Skywalker to be evil in the next Star Wars movies.

The video in question comes from a 2005 episode of Dinner For Five, the old IFC series where host Jon Favreau would moderate a roundtable discussion with a group of actors, directors and creative types. On this particular episode, Kevin Smith, standing in for Favreau, hosted an episode with guests Stan Lee, Jason Lee, Mark Hamill and J.J. Abrams. Star Wars: The Force Awakens was but a glimmer in anyone’s eye, but with Abrams sitting next to him, Smith asked Hamill about if he ever got jealous getting to see Anakin going full-on Dark Side in the prequel films. “Do you sit there going, Man that should’ve been me?”

His response is, let’s just say, interesting.

I pitched that to George [Lucas]. As an actor that would be more fun to play. I just thought that’s the way it was going from when we finished [The Empire Strikes Back] … I’ll have to come back, but it will be I have Han Solo in my crosshairs, and I’ll be about to kill him or about to kill the Princess or about to kill somebody that we care about.

Now, we should note that we do not believe Luke Skywalker to be evil in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, nor do we think this has anything to do with his absence from the marketing materials so far. This is mostly likely explained by the fact that Luke is not a very big part of this movie and what little screen time he has is a big reveal they’re looking to protect. That said, it is interesting on a nostalgic sense to see this actor and director (probably the last time you’ll ever see J.J. Abrams credited as the “co-writer of Taking Care of Business”), who had no idea they’d be working together on one of the most highly anticipated movies of all-time, discussing a major potential plot point for a future Star Wars movie, as irrelevant to the actual plot as it may be.

We should also note that this video isn’t new — it was uploaded to YouTube earlier this year — but is slightly more relevant as the tinfoil hats speculate on Luke Skywalker. Who is not Kylo Ren.

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